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[Blinkin]

What is the difference between the two,
and does it really make a difference anyway?

Define and/or discuss anybody?

[mehwoot]

Nustyle: Generally Hollow kicks, pitched basslines, focus on melody (and sometimes longer breaks), very well defined structure and flow.
Oldstyle (if it could be called that): Less melody, harder kicks and sound, more prominent use of reverse bass (esp in the climax), less defined structure (sort of like veering towards hard trance).

It's just a style of hardstyle, so with all styles, some people like it, some don't. Lots of new artists have seemed to follow the trend and produce ever softer, cheesier music, giving nustyle a bad reputation amongst some people.

And then there's the endless argument about artists doing it only for money, about Q-dance pushing particular styles of music, to add in the lack of respect most people have for things they don't like, you've got a regular internet argument.

Oh and this is probably the wrong place, unless you only want North American perspectives on the situation

[divid3d]

http://theharderforu...re/page__st__80

check that out (post 87 onwards). bit of discussion on this topic which may help you

[KAi]

Not really a fan of nu-style since majority of it isn't that creative. There are some nice nu-style tunes out there but for the most part it is just typical boring. I think mehwoot described what nu-style is in a whole.

[Giuseppe Paolo]

I seriously think the whole debate about it is dumb and the fanaticism behind it. There are good tracks in both sub genres. I just happen to go for Italian HS which mostly goes "old" style."

Love reverse bass

[divid3d]

of course there are good tracks in both

[Giuseppe Paolo]

Seriously! People are missing out on some good tracks if they limit themselves

[FOAME]

KAi, on 09 February 2010 - 03:45 AM, said:

Not really a fan of nu-style since majority of it isn't that creative. There are some nice nu-style tunes out there but for the most part it is just typical boring. I think mehwoot described what nu-style is in a whole.

Could not disagree with this either. When I look at the majority of nu-style, it's most likely something I've heard before that has a different track name to it.

However, when looking at new artists like The Machine, AVIO, Crypsis, etc, than it's a totally different outcome.

[Giuseppe Paolo]

FOAME, on 12 February 2010 - 11:14 AM, said:

Could not disagree with this either. When I look at the majority of nu-style, it's most likely something I've heard before that has a different track name to it.

However, when looking at new artists like The Machine, AVIO, Crypis, etc, than it's a totally different outcome.

The eastern euro hardstyle is killer stuff. I find it more evil than the rest. Never cared for AVIO's stuff that much. But that's just me

[FOAME]

Giuseppe Paolo, on 12 February 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:

The eastern euro hardstyle is killer stuff. I find it more evil than the rest. Never cared for AVIO's stuff that much. But that's just me

I like the majority of AVIO records stuff as they generally don't follow the same path other artists go for. Buy yeah, their productions aren't dark and evil stuff I mostly prefer for hardstyle. lol

[Zephy]

The difference doesnt matter

what matters is you listen to what you LIKE, not read on forums (or in most cases, "judging on artists/labels" )

This also counts for the producers/djs, make/spin what you like...

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Nustyle: Generally Hollow kicks, pitched basslines, focus on melody (and sometimes longer breaks), very well defined structure and flow.

Then I don't see how people think that HHZ or Josh & Wesz for example are "nu-style".
To my knowledge, they are the ones using full kicks and good basslines

While artists like Zany or Technoboy are being put under hardstyle, they clearly produce the opposite defined by those standards

Perhaps a grudge towards "the new generation" ?

-edit-
I agree on the pitched kicks part though.

[Valency]

Zephy, on 12 February 2010 - 04:46 PM, said:

Then I don't see how people think that HHZ or Josh & Wesz for example are "nu-style".
To my knowledge, they are the ones using full kicks and good basslines

While artists like Zany or Technoboy are being put under hardstyle, they clearly produce the opposite defined by those standards

Perhaps a grudge towards "the new generation" ?

An artist shouldn't be considered nustyle. What they release might be.

Take SAIFAM for instance, they might make a cheesy nustyle track like Ti Sento, then they have something like Double Dutch Darkies. The artist isn't what defines it being nustyle or not, the sound of that particular track is.

It's not a grudge toward the newer generation, it's just people's poor judgement skills.

[patfase]

Zephy, on 12 February 2010 - 04:46 PM, said:

The difference doesnt matter

what matters is you listen to what you LIKE, not read on forums (or in most cases, "judging on artists/labels" )

This also counts for the producers/djs, make/spin what you like...


Then I don't see how people think that HHZ or Josh & Wesz for example are "nu-style".
To my knowledge, they are the ones using full kicks and good basslines

While artists like Zany or Technoboy are being put under hardstyle, they clearly produce the opposite defined by those standards

Perhaps a grudge towards "the new generation" ?

-edit-
I agree on the pitched kicks part though.

I don't quite see why you're so worried about the label 'nustyle' (I'm judging this from previous posts too) - just because someone labels something nustyle doesn't mean they don't like it. I love the Wildstylez remix of Venom, but it's definitely nustyle.

Personally I'd call Zany's more recent releases such as Maximum Force and Angel of the Sun nustyle. But I'd definitely call all of the J&W and HHz tracks nustyle as well. HHz kicks are probably the most hollow kicks I've heard apart from the kicks that Showtek use in their remix of Hardstyle Revolutions and the kicks in Outside World 2009, so I dunno why you call them "full", but I guess there is an element of subjectiveness to that. I also don't get your comment of them having "good" basslines, nobody ever said anything about good or bad basslines in nustyle, they just said that in nustyle the basslines tend to be pitched all over the place. It's up to the individual whether they like that or not.

[Nick]

I don't care, I like both Hardstyle and Nustyle ^^

[divid3d]

pat speaks the truth.

[tim dawes]

Nick, on 13 February 2010 - 04:16 AM, said:

I don't care, I like both Hardstyle and Nustyle ^^

nick speaks the truth also

[Derelict]

Zephy, on 12 February 2010 - 04:46 PM, said:

The difference doesnt matter

what matters is you listen to what you LIKE, not read on forums (or in most cases, "judging on artists/labels" )

This also counts for the producers/djs, make/spin what you like...


Then I don't see how people think that HHZ or Josh & Wesz for example are "nu-style".
To my knowledge, they are the ones using full kicks and good basslines

While artists like Zany or Technoboy are being put under hardstyle, they clearly produce the opposite defined by those standards

Perhaps a grudge towards "the new generation" ?

-edit-
I agree on the pitched kicks part though.

There's no grudge. Technoboy and Zany get labelled as nu-style when they make nu-style tracks. It's like that in any genre.

[Zephy]

patfase, on 12 February 2010 - 07:33 PM, said:

I don't quite see why you're so worried about the label 'nustyle' (I'm judging this from previous posts too) - just because someone labels something nustyle doesn't mean they don't like it. I love the Wildstylez remix of Venom, but it's definitely nustyle.

IMO the label 'nu-style' is what generates hate.
Look it via this way: producers try to be original by making something, and instandly, it's a new genre just because a few forumgangers dont like to call it the same genre as it originally was intended to be (loose from the producer's perspective)
It just generates hate and crowd seperation. Also producers inspiration gets chopped off because they dont think anymore "this would be a cool hardstyle track" but instead "it sounds too much nu" or "it doesnt sound too modern, needs more of that nu feeling"
It's very confusing and frustrating especially since nobody knows exact what nu-style is and since it's limited by the forummer's 'demands' for that tag.

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Personally I'd call Zany's more recent releases such as Maximum Force and Angel of the Sun nustyle. But I'd definitely call all of the J&W and HHz tracks nustyle as well. HHz kicks are probably the most hollow kicks I've heard apart from the kicks that Showtek use in their remix of Hardstyle Revolutions and the kicks in Outside World 2009

I seriously have no idea how you could compare the kicks from Frontliner with Headhunterz or Showtek's.
HHZ and Showtek both uses fairly deep kicks representable to the older hardstyle kicks

For example (and now DONT judge from this post but LISTEN) Gostosa - Never Say Never
The kicks in the intro doesnt sound hollow to me, instead it actually makes me want to move!

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I also don't get your comment of them having "good" basslines, nobody ever said anything about good or bad basslines in nustyle, they just said that in nustyle the basslines tend to be pitched all over the place. It's up to the individual whether they like that or not.

That's true, it's matter of opinion.

[Derelict]

Gostosa != hhz. He's referring to the HHZ alias. Listen to stuff like Forever As One. That is the most empty kick I've ever heard. Maybe Scrap Attack comes close.

[Running With Scissors]

lol I'd never heard Forever Az One before and just listened to it then and I was like "wow this track is pretty cool" and then the dude was like BREAK BREAK BREAK IT DOWN and I burst out laughing at the pitched kicks